Legislature(2013 - 2014)HOUSE FINANCE 519

03/21/2013 01:30 PM House FINANCE


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CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 23(FIN)                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act  relating to  development project  financing by                                                                    
     the   Alaska   Industrial    Development   and   Export                                                                    
     Authority; relating  to the  dividends from  the Alaska                                                                    
     Industrial    Development    and   Export    Authority;                                                                    
     authorizing  the  Alaska   Industrial  Development  and                                                                    
     Export Authority  to provide financing and  issue bonds                                                                    
     for  a  liquefied  natural gas  production  system  and                                                                    
     natural gas  distribution system; and providing  for an                                                                    
     effective date."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:13:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SARAH   FISHER-GOAD,  EXECUTIVE   DIRECTOR,  ALASKA   ENERGY                                                                    
AUTHORITY,  DEPARTMENT OF  COMMERCE, COMMUNITY  AND ECONOMIC                                                                    
DEVELOPMENT, stated  that the interior energy  plan proposed                                                                    
in SB  23 would  provide low cost,  North Slope  natural gas                                                                    
and  propane. She  testified  that the  bill  was a  finance                                                                    
package that  offered by the  governor to act as  a catalyst                                                                    
to  bring  the  liquefied  natural  gas  (LNG)  and  propane                                                                    
customers  together with  the  private  entities that  would                                                                    
construct and  operate an LNG  delivery system.  She relayed                                                                    
that  the partnership  and  project would  be  good for  the                                                                    
Alaska Industrial Development  and Export Authority, (AIDEA)                                                                    
and the  Alaska Energy Authority  (AEA). She shared  that SB
23 would  provide AIDEA  with the  opportunity to  invest in                                                                    
the   project.  She   stated   that   AIDEA  was   currently                                                                    
investigating  full  project   feasibility  and  would  only                                                                    
utilize the  authorized tools  written into  the legislation                                                                    
if the project proved to  make economic sense. She said that                                                                    
the intention was  that AIDEA would take an  equity stake in                                                                    
the project, but would not  outright operate or build an LNG                                                                    
plant or  distribution system. She relayed  that the project                                                                    
was typical of other  public/private partnerships that AIDEA                                                                    
had been  involved in  for decades.  She furthered  that the                                                                    
governor's finance package was  intended to fund the initial                                                                    
capacity of the  project with future expansion  to be funded                                                                    
by private and community investment.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze  hoped that an  explanation of HB  74 could                                                                    
be integrated into the presentation.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Fisher-Goad   began  the  presentation,  SB   23  AIDEA                                                                    
Development Project  Financing for  a Liquefied  Natural Gas                                                                    
Production and Distribution System."  She discussed Slide 3,                                                                    
"Project Goals":                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     • Provide lowest-cost energy to Interior Alaska                                                                            
     consumers as soon as possible                                                                                              
     • Get  gas first to  the Interior while  assuring long-                                                                    
     term access to gas  and propane from liquefaction plant                                                                    
     for all Alaskans                                                                                                           
     •  Utilize   private  sector  mechanisms  as   much  as                                                                    
     possible                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Fisher-Goad    continued   to   Slide    4,   "Project                                                                    
Description":                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     • Natural gas will be  liquefied on the North Slope and                                                                    
     trucked to Interior Alaska                                                                                                 
     • Propane  will be  produced and delivered  to Interior                                                                    
     and Rural Alaskans                                                                                                         
     • Primary  LNG demand  anticipated to be  Fairbanks and                                                                    
     North Pole                                                                                                                 
     •  LNG will  be temporarily  stored and  re-gasified in                                                                    
     Interior Alaska                                                                                                            
     •  Natural  gas  distribution system  with  storage  to                                                                    
     supply natural gas for heating                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:20:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TED LEONARD,  EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR  OF AIDEA,  discussed Slide                                                                    
5, AIDEA  Project Analysis Process: Due  Diligence." He said                                                                    
that  the   funding  under  SB   23  would  come   from  the                                                                    
Sustainable  Energy  Transmission  and  Supply  Plan  (SETS)                                                                    
created by  the legislature.  He spoke to  the chart  on the                                                                    
slide which included 4 phases of the project:                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Phase 1 - Project Suitability Assessment                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Project Sponsor Submittals                                                                                                 
        · Proposed information                                                                                                  
        · Sponsor information                                                                                                   
        · Estimated costs and timeline                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     AIDEA Process                                                                                                              
        · Is project consistent with AIDEA initiatives?                                                                         
        · What is project feasibility?                                                                                          
        · What   is    the   proponent's    experience   and                                                                    
          Capability?                                                                                                           
        · Is AIDEA right source for financing?                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Output                                                                                                                     
        · Project Information Form                                                                                              
        · Suitability Report                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     AIDEA Decision Making                                                                                                      
        · Project Evaluation Committee                                                                                          
          o Authorization to go to Feasibility Analysis                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Leonard  relayed that  AIDEA had  completed Phase  1. He                                                                    
shared  that in  December 2012  AIDEA issued  a request  for                                                                    
information  (RFI)  for  working  on the  project,  and  had                                                                    
received  16  responses.  He  said   that  the  project  was                                                                    
suitable for AIDEA. He shared  that the mission of AIDEA was                                                                    
to  promote  economic  development  through  investment  and                                                                    
financing,  and  the  project would  do  both  for  interior                                                                    
Alaska.  He  believed that  the  project  would provide  for                                                                    
statewide development as the benefits  of LNG rippled across                                                                    
the state.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:24:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Leonard  relayed that  AIDEA  was  in  Phase 2  of  the                                                                    
process:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Phase 2 - Feasibility Analysis                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Project Sponsor Submittals                                                                                                      
Business and financing plan                                                                                                     
Preliminary schedule                                                                                                            
Execution/development plan                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
AIDEA Process                                                                                                                   
Is there  a complete  and attainable business  and financing                                                                    
plan?                                                                                                                           
Is there public support?                                                                                                        
What is the timing and status on project?                                                                                       
What are the risks?                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Output                                                                                                                          
Reimbursement Agreement                                                                                                         
Term Sheet                                                                                                                      
Risk Analysis                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
AIDEA Decision Making                                                                                                           
Investment Committee                                                                                                            
Authorization to go to Deal Structuring and Due Diligence                                                                       
AIDEA Board                                                                                                                     
Approve Reimbursement Agreement                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Leonard said that AIDEA  had comprised a team of experts                                                                    
on permitting  and site  assessment from  engineering firms,                                                                    
as   well  as   MEI   Technologies,   experts  in   building                                                                    
liquefication facilities. He  stated that financial advisors                                                                    
had  been  brought in  to  determine  the financing  of  the                                                                    
project  facility and  to examine  the distribution  system.                                                                    
He believed that AIDEA and  ADA's ability to offer a finance                                                                    
package for  the project was  the reason they were  asked to                                                                    
participate. He  said that  the demand  would be  ready that                                                                    
would   support  a   production  facility,   and  that   the                                                                    
production facility would guarantee  that gas would be there                                                                    
once it  was time  to finance the  distribution system.   He                                                                    
reiterated that  AIDEA was in  Phase 2 and  that Feasibility                                                                    
and  Due Diligence  stage would  take  approximately two  to                                                                    
three more months.  He noted the additional  phases on Slide                                                                    
5, which  illustrated that  the board  would have  the final                                                                    
approval  to  move the  project  forward  based on  the  due                                                                    
diligence that AIDEA  and AEA would present.  He shared that                                                                    
the slide was  intended to illustrate how  important the due                                                                    
diligence process is to AIDEA and AEA.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stoltze  recognized that  Representative  Isaacson                                                                    
had joined the gallery.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:27:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Leonard  discussed   Slide   6,  "Governor's   Finance                                                                    
Package":  He  noted  that the  appropriation  to  the  fund                                                                    
included three  separate legs: $150 million  in AIDEA bonds,                                                                    
$50 million  in capital appropriation from  the General Fund                                                                    
and $125 million in SETS capitalization.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:28:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Leonard discussed  slide 7,  "$50 Million  General Fund                                                                    
Appropriation":                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     •Purpose                                                                                                                   
          •Give AIDEA the needed equity ownership share in                                                                      
          the North Slope LNG plant to ensure project is                                                                        
          executed                                                                                                              
          •Directly reduce the price of natural gas to                                                                          
          utility customers                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     •How it Works                                                                                                              
          •AIDEA owns  $50 million share of  the plant. This                                                                    
          ownership stake will be an AIDEA asset                                                                                
          •AIDEA  will  not charge  a  return  on its  owned                                                                    
         share from LNG sales to utility customers                                                                              
          •AIDEA can  earn a return  from LNG sales  to non-                                                                    
         utility customers or a sale of the asset                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:29:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Leonard discussed Slide 8, "$150 Million AIDEA Bond                                                                         
Authorization":                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     •Purpose                                                                                                                   
          •Provide  low cost  capital for  the build  out of                                                                    
          the natural gas distribution system                                                                                   
          •Make sure  the utility demand for  LNG is created                                                                    
          in order to ensure the  North Slope plant is fully                                                                    
          utilized                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     •How it Works                                                                                                              
          •AIDEA  floats  $150  million   in  bonds  as  the                                                                    
          distribution system is built out                                                                                      
          •The  bond   payments  are  incorporated   in  the                                                                    
          natural gas utility's rates                                                                                           
          •The State  of Alaska's  moral obligation  and the                                                                    
          capital reserve  fund reduces the  bond's interest                                                                    
          rate,  directly  lowering  the  utility  price  of                                                                    
          natural gas                                                                                                           
          •3% to 4.5% interest rate (depending on tax-                                                                          
          exempt  status of  component  financed and  market                                                                    
          rates)                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:31:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Leonard discussed Slide 9, "$125 Million SETS                                                                               
Capitalization":                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     •Purpose                                                                                                                   
          •Provide  flexible,  low  cost financing  for  the                                                                    
          North  Slope  LNG  plant and/or  the  natural  gas                                                                    
          distribution system                                                                                                   
          •The SETS fund  provides flexible repayment terms,                                                                    
          allowing  AIDEA   to  pursue  the   best  business                                                                    
          structure for utility customers                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     •How it Works                                                                                                              
          •The  existing SETS  fund is  capitalized with  an                                                                    
          additional $125 million                                                                                               
          •The non-AIDEA owner(s)  of the infrastructure are                                                                    
          directly  loaned the  funds  with  an agreed  upon                                                                    
          payment plan                                                                                                          
          •The cost  of repaying  the SETS loan  is included                                                                    
          in the price of the LNG                                                                                               
          •3% interest rate (set by SB23)                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:32:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Leonard  discussed  Slide   10,  "$30  Million  Storage                                                                    
Credit":                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     •Purpose                                                                                                                   
          •Reduce the cost to build natural gas/LNG storage                                                                     
          •Directly reduce  the price utility  customers pay                                                                    
          for natural gas                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     •How it Works                                                                                                              
          •$15  million  tax   credit  for  each  qualifying                                                                    
          storage tank                                                                                                          
          •The project  is expected  to have  two qualifying                                                                    
          tanks totaling $30 million                                                                                            
          •The storage  credit was created  through previous                                                                    
          legislative action                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:33:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Leonard  discussed Slide 11, "Potential  Finance Options                                                                    
for Initial Buildout." The slide  presented a pie-chart that                                                                    
broke down  potential finance options for  initial buildout.                                                                    
He noted  that the  capital structure  was similar  to other                                                                    
projects. He  pointed out  that there  were two  sections to                                                                    
the project; the  first was the LNG plant  and would require                                                                    
$220 million, the  second portion would be  $205 million and                                                                    
would cover regasification, storage and distribution.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:36:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Fisher-Goad  presented  Slide 12,  "LNG  Lowers  Energy                                                                    
Costs":                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Expected Utility Price per Mcf                                                                                                  
•Wholesale LNG: $10.15                                                                                                          
•Natural Gas to home: $13.42-$17.00 per Mcf                                                                                     
•Delivered price  is equal  to $1.79 -  $2.27 per  gallon of                                                                    
fuel oil                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Key Assumptions                                                                                                                 
•Initial costs associated with a 9 Bcf plant at start up                                                                        
•Snapshot in time, costs change with expansion                                                                                  
•LNG  plant  bifurcated  into  two  sections  (industry  and                                                                    
utility)                                                                                                                        
•$50  million  capital cost  reduction  applied  to 6.5  Bcf                                                                    
utility section                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Fisher-Goad  explained that  AEA  had  worked with  the                                                                    
Fairbanks  community and  various stakeholders  in order  to                                                                    
determine  the  best  targeted  rate  for  bringing  gas  to                                                                    
Fairbanks. She  said that some  of the  assumptions provided                                                                    
by private partners  had been considered as  well. She noted                                                                    
that the  slide showed  that the  anticipation was  that the                                                                    
LNG  would lower  energy  costs. She  stated  that the  plan                                                                    
would  be   bifurcated  into  two  sections;   industry  and                                                                    
utility,  with the  assumption  that  the equity  investment                                                                    
that was in  the capital budget would be applied  to the 6.5                                                                    
Bcf utility  section of  the plant,  which would  savings to                                                                    
residential heating customers.   She clarified that although                                                                    
AEA  was working  through the  cost assumptions  and as  the                                                                    
engineering teams continued to  refine their work, there was                                                                    
the  slight chance  that the  cost margin  could go  up, but                                                                    
actual costs would  not increase and there would  still be a                                                                    
50  percent decrease  in the  cost of  heating homes  in the                                                                    
community.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:40:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Fisher-Goad  discussed slide 13, "Heating  Energy Supply                                                                    
Comparison."  She   believed  that   the  slide   helped  to                                                                    
demonstrate the cost structure  of using different resources                                                                    
for  home heating.  She pointed  out that  electricity would                                                                    
need to  cheaper in  Fairbanks in order  to be  considered a                                                                    
heating source:                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Trucked LNG is the lowest-cost option for Interior                                                                         
     Alaska heating                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
          •Electricity would need to be $0.04 - $0.06 per                                                                       
          kWh to compete with trucked LNG                                                                                       
          •Electricity would need to be much cheaper to                                                                         
          compete with fuel oil                                                                                                 
Co-Chair Stoltze requested further details on the possible                                                                      
savings to public utility costs for state and local                                                                             
agencies.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Fisher-Goad replied that she would provide the                                                                              
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:41:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Fisher-Goad mentioned slide 14, "Household Heating                                                                          
Savings":                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Typical Home Heating Savings                                                                                               
          • $2,900 - $3,750 annually                                                                                            
          •43% - 55% reduction in cost                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Key Assumptions                                                                                                            
          •Typical  Interior Alaska  household will  use 225                                                                    
          Mcf of  gas per year (equivalent  to 1,700 gallons                                                                    
          of fuel oil)                                                                                                          
          •Does  not  account  for expected  improvement  in                                                                    
          heating efficiency with natural gas                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:42:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Fisher-Goad discussed slide 15: "Air Quality":                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Conversion to natural gas should reduce air pollutant                                                                      
     emissions in Fairbanks and North Pole                                                                                      
         •Will reduce overall emissions of PM 2.5                                                                               
          •Fairbanks is presently  a non-attainment area for                                                                    
          PM 2.5                                                                                                                
          •Potential public  health benefits of  natural gas                                                                    
          is substantial                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
    Impact on Federal funding and economic development                                                                          
          •The non-attainment  area risks  losing Department                                                                    
          of  Transportation and  Public Facilities  funding                                                                    
          if  State fails  to submit  an attainment  plan to                                                                    
          EPA                                                                                                                   
          •Federal  projects   in  the  area   face  funding                                                                    
          hurdles while area is non-attainment                                                                                  
          •Cleaner, healthier air  in Fairbanks will promote                                                                    
          economic development                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Fisher-Goad  relayed that the project  would help reduce                                                                    
air  pollutant  emission in  Fairbanks  and  the North  Pole                                                                    
area.  Currently, Fairbanks  was in  a non-attainment  area,                                                                    
which  put federal  funding  at risk.  She  stated that  the                                                                    
dollars that had been gathered  from the northern region DOT                                                                    
included $8-10  million in FMATS  that could be lost  and an                                                                    
additional  $6-8 million  of funding  in the  non-attainment                                                                    
area that was not in the FMATS area.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Fisher-Goad  continued to slide 16,  "Savings for Public                                                                    
Buildings":                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     •Fairbanks North Star Borough School District expects                                                                      
     immediate and significant school heating cost savings                                                                      
          •Expect schools to pay back cost of converting in                                                                     
          less than two years                                                                                                   
          •8 schools will have immediate access to natural                                                                      
          gas, with more switching as the distribution                                                                          
          system builds out                                                                                                     
          •The first 8 schools will immediately save $25-                                                                       
          $60 thousand dollars a year in heating costs                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     •Other State and municipal buildings should experience                                                                     
     similar heating cost reductions                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:44:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Fisher-Goad  turned to slide  17, "Long Term Use  of LNG                                                                    
Plant":                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     LNG Plant will be used after gas pipeline                                                                                  
          •Plant can serve Rural Alaska before gas pipeline                                                                     
          is constructed                                                                                                        
          •Expect opportunity to sell LNG to new industrial                                                                     
          users both before and after pipeline                                                                                  
          •Information in chart is for demonstration only                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
She explained that the users on  the left of the graph would                                                                    
be served  by the pipeline; however,  additional users could                                                                    
have  gas  trucked or  provided  on  the river  system,  new                                                                    
industrial development was also  anticipated. She noted that                                                                    
the facility was  modular and could be re-located  in a more                                                                    
convenient location. She noted  that AEA was working through                                                                    
the   rural   energy    program   to   determine   micro-LNG                                                                    
possibilities.  She  hoped that  the  fuel  source could  be                                                                    
expanded to serve as many communities as possible.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:47:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Fisher-Goad  discussed slide  18, "Project  Timeline and                                                                    
Milestones." She believed that  first gas could be delivered                                                                    
by then  end of the  calendar year 2015. She  mentioned that                                                                    
HB  74  included  a  direct  financing  program  of  AIDEAs,                                                                    
unrelated to the interior energy plan.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze requested further  detail about the linking                                                                    
of the two bills: SB 23 and HB 74.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Leonard  stated that there  was no true  linkage between                                                                    
the direct financing  portion of HB 74 and  the interior gas                                                                    
project in SB 23. He said  that the direct financing was one                                                                    
of the final tools that could be used by AIDEA.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:49:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stoltze  asked  if   SB  23  contained  the  tools                                                                    
necessary to deliver gas by 2015.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Leonard replied in the affirmative.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:49:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Austerman understood that  there would be a storage                                                                    
tank on the North Slope and another in Fairbanks.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Leonard replied  yes. He  furthered that  the Fairbanks                                                                    
storage would  be more costly  because it would  allowed the                                                                    
production  from  the  plant to  be  stable  throughout  the                                                                    
seasons.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Austerman queried  the  cost of  building the  two                                                                    
tanks.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
NICK  SZYMONIAK, PROJECT  ECONOMIST WITH  AEA, replied  that                                                                    
the  requested  $15 million  per  tank  would cover  only  a                                                                    
portion of the overall cost.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Austerman asked for the  total cost of building the                                                                    
tanks.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Szymoniak responded that the  tank in Fairbanks could be                                                                    
approximately $30  million at start  up, and could go  up to                                                                    
$70-$100 million, depending on the size of storage needed.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:52:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Neuman asked  whether  SETS  financing could  be                                                                    
used to expand gas availability in the Mat-Su area.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Leonard stated  that SETS  funds included  transmission                                                                    
lines for  natural gas  and other  facilities. He  said that                                                                    
under  the   SETS  fund  AIDEA  was   limited  to  providing                                                                    
financing for 35  percent of a project. He  relayed that the                                                                    
authorization  in the  bill allowed  AIDEA  to provide  more                                                                    
than 35 percent financing for this specific project.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:54:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Thompson   requested  further  clarification                                                                    
regarding the cash  grant; the $50 million  that AIDEA would                                                                    
have had  as an asset would  be reimbursed, and the  rest of                                                                    
the funding was through loans.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Leonard responded  that the $275 million  was to provide                                                                    
AIDEA with  the ability  to provide direct  financing, which                                                                    
would all be  paid back through the purchase of  the gas. He                                                                    
added  that the  $50 million  was an  equity investment  and                                                                    
that  return on  the equity  investment would  occur through                                                                    
the industrial side of the stream.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:56:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Gara   testified    in   support   of   the                                                                    
legislation. He wondered what  might prevent the subsidizing                                                                    
of another gasline through the legislation.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Leonard  stated that  the intention of  the bill  was to                                                                    
create  a production  facility to  provide LNG  for interior                                                                    
Alaska  with  the ability  to  extend  the resource  to  all                                                                    
Alaskans. He  stressed that the  pipeline would never  be at                                                                    
the size needed for an in-state pipeline.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara  understood the intended  limitations of                                                                    
the project in  the bill, but wondered where  the bill spoke                                                                    
to the limitation of the plant size.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:59:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Leonard stated that the  bill authorized AIDEA to invest                                                                    
up  to $275  million  into  the LNG  project.  He said  that                                                                    
existing statute  allowed for  AIDEA to  provide up  to one-                                                                    
third  of  the  financing  for a  project,  with  a  limited                                                                    
amount. He  stressed that the  bill was only a  catalyst for                                                                    
the 9  Bcf plant, and  if AIDEA wanted  to be involved  in a                                                                    
larger project it  could not be funded through  the SETS. He                                                                    
believed the intent of the legislation was clear.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:01:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara  thought   that  limitations  could  be                                                                    
written into the title in order to clarify intent.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Leonard  replied  that  AIDEA did  not  have  the  debt                                                                    
capacity to build a project the size of HB 4.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:02:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Austerman  understood  that   $50  million  was  a                                                                    
capital appropriation for AIDEA to invest in the project.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Leonard said yes.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:03:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Fisher-Goad  pointed out that the  fiscal notes included                                                                    
all  of the  funding  pieces. She  turned  attention to  the                                                                    
summary  sheet attached  to the  fiscal  notes, which  would                                                                    
provide committee  members with  a clearer  understanding of                                                                    
the fiscal impact of the legislation.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Edgmon was pleased  with the rural element of                                                                    
the legislation. He  queried the 30 year  payback period for                                                                    
the funding.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:05:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Leonard  clarified that the  30 year payback  period was                                                                    
intended for  the SETS loan and  would be paid off  over the                                                                    
estimated life of the plant.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Edgmon asked about  the process of connecting                                                                    
gas to residential homes.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Fisher-Goad  replied that estimates  had been  made that                                                                    
had promised savings to homeowners.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Edgmon  understood   that  the  numbers  for                                                                    
residential hook-up had  not been considered in  the 30 year                                                                    
model.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Leonard replied  no. He  added that  the funding  would                                                                    
provide   for  the   production   and  the   pipe  for   the                                                                    
neighborhood, but not for conversion.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:07:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wilson asked about  the commercial aspect and                                                                    
how the university would fit in to the project.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Fisher-Goad replied  that  the  university was  looking                                                                    
into  replacing their  existing coal  fueled, combined  heat                                                                    
and power  plant. She said  that AEA would continue  to work                                                                    
closely with  the university as  that project  advanced. She                                                                    
noted  that  staying with  coal  would  be cheaper  for  the                                                                    
university rather  than LNG. She  said that the 9  Bcf plant                                                                    
would  not be  particularly beneficial  to people  that were                                                                    
already able to enjoy lower cost fuel.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:10:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze  noted that the  public testimony  would be                                                                    
taken during Monday's 1:30pm meeting.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze discussed further housekeeping.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SB  23  was   HEARD  and  HELD  in   committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:12:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB4 Support letters.PDF HFIN 3/21/2013 1:30:00 PM
HB 4
HB4 Sponsor Statement - CS for SSHB4(RES) VersP.pdf HFIN 3/21/2013 1:30:00 PM
HB 4
HB4 Sectional CS for SSHB4 (RES) P.pdf HFIN 3/21/2013 1:30:00 PM
HB 4
HB4 Fact Sheet-CS for SSHB4 (RES) Vers. P.pdf HFIN 3/21/2013 1:30:00 PM
HB 4
HB4 Explanation of Changes - CS for SSHB4 (RES) P.pdf HFIN 3/21/2013 1:30:00 PM
HB 4
HB4 Support letters #2.PDF HFIN 3/21/2013 1:30:00 PM
HB 4
SB 23 Supporting Documents - AIDEAAEA Policy Presentation 3-21-2013.pdf HFIN 3/21/2013 1:30:00 PM
SB 23
SB 23 Supporting Documents - AIDEA Project Analysis Process 2-26-2013.pdf HFIN 3/21/2013 1:30:00 PM
SB 23
SB 23 Supporting Document - Interior Energy Plan.pdf HFIN 3/21/2013 1:30:00 PM
SB 23
SB 23 Assorted Letters of Support - 031413.pdf HFIN 3/21/2013 1:30:00 PM
SB 23
HB 4 Overview for H FIN March 21.pdf HFIN 3/21/2013 1:30:00 PM
HB 4
SB 23 Teamster Letter 3.21.13.pdf HFIN 3/21/2013 1:30:00 PM
SB 23